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Stafford Park Fence

The fence was supposed to be TEMPORARY because they were fixing the gr . That was several years ago. Remember, they take money from your taxes to pay for a public park that you are not allowed to enter... Lovely, huh?
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Stafford Park and Prince Park all fenced up

Stafford Park and Prince Park all fenced up. Respectfully requesting our ďpublicĒ parks and fields to be ďpublicĒ again, not for the use of special interest groups that may at best represent a part of the public, BUT definitely NOT all of the public. I am in dismay to see Miami Springs parks no longer available to all its citizen. In fact, the number one reason why we bought at Miami Springs, when we could have bought much cheaper in the rest of the Miami area, was because Miami Springs offered so many open areas and parks. We are no longer able to take our kids to Stafford park or to Prince field, and throw a baseball, or kick around a soccer ball, because these field are open only to a few privilege ones, on very specific times. The rest of us get kicked out. Believe it or not!! The idea of using tax payer money to build a fence around a ďpublicĒ field, paid and supported by tax payers, to keep tax payers from using the field is the equivalent of building a wall in the U.S frontier to keep U.S citizen from coming into the U.S. It is truly that absurd of a concept, and it violates any sense of fairness and decency. I am aware that these wonderful fields in Stafford Park, and Prince Field, and any other park that belongs to Miami Spring, will incur more wear and tear; welcome that, for it means that yours citizens are fully enjoying the facilities that rightfully belongs to them. Please, I beg of you, return our parks to us. Town Meeting today 10 23 17. Let make city council aware of our concern.
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Westward Path

I always liked the idea of adding a bike path to Westward. Not sure why it-s concrete instead of asphalt, but concrete doesn-t bother me and it lasts longer and is better for skaters. But I do have a major gripe. It seems the city did not follow their own rules. If you build a driveway on your home, the driveway cannot be elevated higher than the roadway because it creates puddles, ponding, flooding, on the road way. Makes sense as the city wants to retain freedom of movement during storms. Westward has a high point in the middle of the road. The lane closest to the median drains to the median. No problem. When it rains, the water simply drains to the median that is lower than the road way. Across from the rec center, the city added unnecessary curbing. As a result the water could not flow to the median so they spent even more money and added drainage to avoid flooding and ponding. Fast foward to the new bike path. The geniuses made the sidewalk higher than the road. Then, I see they are adding dirt fill between the road and the sidewalk making the median higher than the road. That means, we-re going to start getting flooding along Westward unless they add expensive drainage. All they had to do was make the sidewalk lower. there was no need to make it so tall or to add the extra dirt making the median taller than the roadway. Either that or they just like making expensive projects that require fixes after the fact. This is the kind of common incompetence that turns a good project bad. Let-s build a bike path! Yay! Great idea. But let-s screw it up and create a flooding problem. SMH!
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FPL

for what itís worth FPL crews put in new sod on swales they worked on while putting in those new concrete polls.
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Real estate 101

Since the city has the right to tell us if we can remove trees etc from the swales and they have the right to chop whatever the heck they want down on the swale. They obviously are responsible for the sod! There were all the city trucks during the clean up. They certainly were not helping with any clean up in the swales. FEMA took over 4 weeks Way linger then any other cleanup we have had from past storms! Why?? The city looks horrible now with all the swales brown and dead or muddy. Letís hope the city helps with the replanting
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Crackers?

Are there any crackers and cheese being served with this perpetual whine?
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REAL ESTATE 101

the property owner owns the land and gives and easement to the city. The city will never pay, but it-s taken longer than it should have. Maybe it-s the city-s fault. Maybe it-s FEMA-s fault. But, it-s obvious city resources were not the ones picking up the mess. Maybe it should have been and this would have been picked up a lot sooner.
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Sod

The hurricane was an act of god but the clean up took well over 4 weeks ! I agree the city should pay fo the sod in the swales if not then people should just let it stay all ripped up! After all according to the city they own that land
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COMPARISON

The city recovered faster after Wilma and Katrina. Maybe it-s related to FEMA etc., but the city was a lot cleaner after the 2005 storms than they are after Irma. Not pointing fingers here, just stating the obvious. It-s taken longer to clean up this storm than the 2005 storms.
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GR

The hurricane was an act of God; take it up with her.
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Gr 

Is the city going to replace the sod on the swales that was ruined by the hurricane debris just sitting on it for weeks
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El Facto

Newspapers? Is that what they use at the bottom of bird cages? I hear it was popular in the 20th century.
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El Facto

Once upon a time newspapers and radio were independently owned and provided a pretty decent cross-section of opinions on any given topic. I recent years most newspapers became part of a single owner conglomerate which although printed under different names, postulated the same opinion. This and the birth of the 24 hour news cycle has all but done away with real journalists and all we have now are political operatives mascaraing as journalists.      He who controls the media controls public opinion.
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El Facto

Corruption and incompetence often go hand in hand. Actually the Free Press is an essential part of our constitution and vital to our democracy. You mention a few people but the free press is much larger than that. And Rather got a raw deal.
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El Facto

Who the Hell said anything about corruption?      I was referring to incompetence. BTW, Do you really want to rely on the press to spot corruption?     The same press that has come out of the closet and has become openly political, been caught lying (Dan Rather, Brian Williams and a plethora of others)? ? ?
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El Facto

Well we need to be careful about generalizations. There was corruption everywhere including MS in the distant past. In the 70-s several council people were busted for corruption. I think corruption is more blatant and even accepted as a way of life in Banana Republics but it happens in all settings and cultures. Vigilance and exposure by the people and the free press is critical to fighting corruption on all levels. The free press and individual freedoms in this country make it more possible to expose corruption but people must do their part.
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El Facto

The sad truth is that we have been infected by Affirmative Action and multiculturalism just like all other cities in this county. We have in fact become a Third World Country City inside of the United States in part because of the Banana Republic Politics.        Leave Miami and go North past Palm Beach County and see how things are run; it will bring you memories of times when this city was run efficiently by professionals.
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El Facto

I will not say that we don-t need improvement in Miami Springs re code enforcement and any other area for that matter. But I certainly don-t think Hialeah government is who we want to emulate.
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EL FACTO

The Facts of Code Enforcement Miami Springs vs Hialeah are: Hialeah is much more efficient and enforce their Code on an equal base   Until Miami Springs takes a lesson from our Sister City across the river and cleans out our Swamp the Building Department will continue to show favoritism and take months to issue building permits.
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Speaking Of Wine

You are too dammed funny to take seriously.     You don-t know the difference between "Wine" and "Whine" and BTW, Napoleon Bonaparte lives on Westward just East of Hammond Dr with his Urban Assault Vehicle.   The real Napoleon would have been very upset that you misspelled his name as well.
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City of Miami Springs

The City will not pick up trash until there is world peace. Thatís why itís taking longer than Katrina or Wilma.
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Speaking Of Wine

I would like to Wine about someone who can not even spell the word WHINE. lol
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Speaking Of Wine

I would like to Wine about the person who drives that camper truck contraption that keeps taking five parking spaces at the grocery store and parks across canal street like there is no one else here in the City. A couple of times it even has been on Westward Drive near Cross Street and you canít see a damn thing. Who drives it Napolian they canít realize the space it hogs up.
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Trash

So the city hasnít picked up trash in over a month and youíre worried about world peace.
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think

four separate people left their homes this morning not knowing they would never make it back. four soldiers lost their lives protecting ours a few weeks ago and all you have on your mind is when trash is going to be picked up. many lost lives and homes in California but forget about them who cares just get my trash I agree with the last person have some wine and relax
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boat

These people are not worthy of an answer by you. They are old bitter busy bodies suffering from anal-cranial-inversion who hate themselves and displace that hatred towards others.      Go about your life, leave the boat where it is, tell these people to go pound salt and get sufficient amounts of Preparation H to deal with them in the future.
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Alley

Who cares; I mean, really, as long as it gets picked up.     Either get a life or increase the dosage of your meds.
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Alley

Who-s picking up the alley? Public works or the FEMA creews?
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40 days

Boohoo -- I-m not crying. Just wondering if I-m getting a credit for the LACK of pickup?
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Boat

Thank you for what we already know and I-m done. Just know your  ing for no reason I could care less. I have been working on getting it stored in another place for some time. The boat will be moved in about 2 months unless sooner if the city I-m moving it to moves the permit along faster. Then you can go   about someone-s flower garden or fence bc that is against code as well.yoyr the only one this boat bothers lol so I-m done. I wish you the best and you have a super day.
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The Law

Miami Springs laws are not on your side. There-s not an exception for (oh, I-m waiting to be able to park it at my friends house after he fixes his gate.) But don-t worry. Miami Springs code enforcement is not what it used to be so you should be able to have it there for another 6 months without a problem.
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BOAT LAW

No recreational vehicle shall be parked or stored in the front setback area, except converted vans not exceeding 7,000 pounds manufacturer(s gross weight or pickup trucks (with caps) not exceeding three-fourths-ton capacity, which may be parked within the front setback area, but not closer than three feet from any side property line, or within 30 feet of the corner of intersecting streets.
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BOAT LAW

Recreational vehicles may also be parked or stored in the side yard setback areas of residential properties, without securing a variance, so long as the following conditions are met; (a)No part of the recreational vehicle may extend beyond the front line of the residential structure. (b)The front of the recreational vehicle must be screened from public view by a six-foot solid gate. (c)The side of the recreational vehicle must be screened from the adjacent neighboring property with a minimum six-foot solid fence, live hedge, or other solid screening material approved by the Building Department.
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BOAT LAW

Recreational vehicles may be parked or stored in the REAR yard area of a property, provided that the gross area occupied by the vehicle does not exceed 20 percent of the rear yard upon which no construction exists. Any recreational vehicle may be parked within any distance of the rear lot line , subject to the provisions of subparagraph (5) below. In addition, the recreational vehicle must be properly screened from all adjacent properties and streets.
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40 Days

What a cry baby. So your ally has trash booo whooo. Talk to the folks in Texas Puerto Rico or the Keys and maybe you would be a little more thankful for what you do have. Take a canoe ride and have a gla s s of wine donít stress so much. It causes wrinkles.
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Boat

Don-t wait for anyone to be up front with you and discuss this face to face.   This site is full of bottom feeders that hide in the darkness of cyberspace and the anonymity of this site to throw stones without incurring any danger.     For these self righteous individuals there are no consequences for their actions as they sit snugly and safely behind their keyboard.
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40 days

40 days...Does that mean we get a credit in our Water Bill?
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Boat

No tough guy here, like I said come right over and do not hide if you have a problem. And yes we do have easily 100 boats in front of houses so you know, I am not gonna be a snitch like yourself though as we all have good neighbors looking out for each other in the neighborhood. Id like to know how the boat hurt your feelings, and maybe offer a tissue. Sadly your too busy complaining about other peoples lives when you know nothing of the reason the boat moved there temporarily. I cant even take you seriously b c your complaining about my neighbors hedge too which looks great might i add. They are also not human eating plants, so not sure how they hurt you either. That house used to have a hideous chain link fence covering nothing, now it has something that looks nice and you are complaining?? I mean wow is all I can say. Again your invited over to discuss your complaints and i can explain why its there temporarily if you would like again.
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Ordinance

Oh, so you-re a tough guy behind the computer. Wow! Boats ARE allowed on the side of the home if screened. We don-t have a problem with boats on sides of homes behind a fence or other screen. We DO NOT have 100 boats parked in the front of homes throughout Miami Springs.
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Ordinance

To the guy complaining about my boat in front of my house. Dont try and single me out and not come to me personally and tell me you have a problem. Hiding behind the internet will get nothing resolved for you. I am one of easily 100 houses with boats parked in the front and side. We are currently awaiting permit approval on a family members house on there gate so we can store the boat there. You would know that had you not hid behind this forum, my door is ready to be knocked on when you want to come by and explain to me how the boat has hurt your feelings.
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40 Days

Wait the $$$$ is not right let them simmer a while longer.
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40 Days

40 Days Later, my alley still has hurricane debris. When are they picking it up?
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Ordinance

You-re not anonymous when you call or email. Caller ID gives up who you are. Emails give up who you are. How about the city does its job and enforces the code? What are we paying cars and fuel for? To wait for citizens to complain? Kindly tell the owner he-s out of compliance. I-m sure they-ll move it in no time.
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Ordinance

call the city and report the house and you dont need to say who you are. Remain Annonymous. Send an email as well for the record.
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Ordnance snitch

Please be so kind as to post your address so that we can inspect your house for violations.     It-s only fair; don-t you think?     Then once your property is clear of all violations you can go on snitching on all of your neighbors and receive a reward from Code Enforcement.
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Police

Nice. Polite. Request. it wasn-t negative name calling. Just a nice polite request. Thank you.
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Ordinances

House on courner of plover and albatross used to have their boat parked on the side of the house within their gate. Now its in their drive way. Has been parked there for over a month. It is not being used daily. Go by and see it for yourself. Its there right now. I don-t want them to be fined. I want them to know that there-s an ordinance regarding this. They just recently bought that house. Also, the house on the corner of wren and albatross. It has a pool. They took down the fence. They only placed plants now on the perimeter of their yard. They need to have a pool enclosure. Pool enclosures are required by law for the safety of children. They too just recently bought the house. I don-t want them fined either. I want them to know that they need to have some type of enclosure. This is the cities job.
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Police

Exactly! It is very hard to cross over Curtiss Parkway now because of the work being done. It would be great if the police officers would help instead of leaning against their cars chatting! Donít get me wrong I love our police but when it takes five minutes to get across because the road is being blocked perhaps a little help from them would be in order
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Bridge

If you cut out the bridge, you relocate m ive traffic to Royal Poinciana and East Drive that cannot handle the traffic. The bridge will be so backed up the traffic will back into Okeechobee. Florida DOT will never go for this. You add a major inconvenience to the "quick run" to CVS. I-m all for less traffic, but Curtiss Parkway is designed to handle 2 lanes of traffic. It-s not like your shoving 4 lanes of traffic into one lane. Plus, there-s nothing slowing down the incoming traffic from proceding until they get to 36 st. In other words, the traffic flows and is moving. The problem only happens when the outbound traffic clogs up the circle. That-s the clear and obvious problem.
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Nery-O

Hey Nery-O. Haven-t heard much of you. Since Marty p ed away this site is no fun anymore.
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Bridge

Thanks for the kind words. Some of us will continue to try and have a civil dialog on here. Some will be incorrigible and largely ignored. There have been some dissenting views on closing the bridge here. For instance it will be an inconvenience to residents commuting back from the North etc. I would like to hear your reasons for not being in favor in order to get more feedback from all views. Much appreciated.
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Bridge

For the record, I don-t think we should close the bridge, but I applaud someone with a respectful different point of view. So thank you for being respectful, unlike some others on here.
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Bridge

Lot-s of accomplishments happened after it was said they would never happen. Excuse me if I don-t accept your opinion as all knowing and infallible.
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fUNNY

McSelfie and the 3 stooges. I love it.
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Bridge

What part of "it will never happen" is it that you don-t understand?      The "Tunnel" on Okeechobee Rd occurred because it is US-27 and a main through way for commercial traffic going to the Port of Miami.     Not only are we a residential surface street, but we don-t even allow commercial traffic the courtesy of p ing through.      Hillary Clinton has a better chance of getting indicted than you have closing that bridge.
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Bridge

Never say never about closing the bridge. What kind of enforcement is going to have any effect on the traffic coming over the bridge? Once in a while you get a speeder on Curtiss but for the most part people don-t speed over the bridge or around the Circle because they can-t due to congestion. So a few people get tickets and they slow down a little. I am all for enforcement but the reality is it won-t really stop any incoming traffic.
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Toll and Enforcment

Sounds good to me
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Police

Enforcing the laws ....LOL. Go by now south on Curtiss where electrical lines are being modified and you will see 2 young Miami Springs cops parked doing NOTHING, but talking !!!
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Bridge

Dream of closing the bridge will never happen of course even if it is a good idea. Concentration on enforcing the traffic laws would eliminate the problem.
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Bridge

Other concerns voiced on here regarding shutting down the incoming bridge is that residents would have to utilize East Dr or Ludlum adding a few minutes to their commute. Sure it would be a minor inconvenience but overall the benefit to the city and its property values by eliminating the incoming congestion would be excellent. The bridge, Circle and Curtiss were not meant to accommodate such over development in the county which has resulted in so many commuters using our quaint little town as a main artery for cut through traffic. We need to rescue our city from the congestion that is choking our beautiful downtown. It will only get worse if we don-t and eventually the county or DOT will want to expand the road way through the city if we don-t act now.
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bridge

Why is every one wasting time on this. The only thing going to happen in this city is what ever the Stooges and Mcselfie need or want.
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Bridge

The solution to the incoming bridge is to shut it down and provide a nice pedestrian only plaza as was suggested in the letters to the Gazette recently. That will have a calming effect and draw residents and visitors to the downtown area to frequent stores and restaurants. It would be a unique setting. Yes the road is part of the county but if the residents don-t help push this idea the county will eventually want to widen Curtiss and eliminate the Circle to allow more traffic to cut through and ruin our town. Some people say the main problem is the outgoing bridge and it is a problem. But that doesn-t mean we can-t solve the incoming problem. Plus, some of the incoming traffic swings around the Circle which helps congest the outgoing side.
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Bridge

As I stated in my first post, the toll would only apply To non Miami springs residents. This would bring revenue To Miami Springs without taxing us.
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Bridge

I respectfully disagree. You will be adding a significant tax to Miami Springs residents who travel those roads daily. Furthermore, the incoming traffic is not the problem. Yes, there-s a lot of traffic, that comes in, but there-s nothing inhibiting the traffic. They have the same 2 lanes all through Curtiss Parkway to 36 st. The problem is when the outbound traffic to Hialeah backs up around the circle. That-s problem numero uno.
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Bridge

A toll on a bridge is not insane. Key biscayne and Venetian Causeway have tolls. People do not drive through Coral Gables to get somewhere else, a toll would not make sense. People are driving through Miami Springs, clogging the roads and not buying anything from our Businesses. A toll here would make sense.
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Disagree

You can disagree without being disagreeable.
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Bridge

Don-t insult the guy or gal that is asking for a toll. A toll is an obvious inhibitor to reduce traffic which is at the end of the day what they want. What we all want. Now I think putting a toll is a ridiculous idea, but you don-t have to go and insult the person who said it. If Miami had a bunch of tolls to reduce traffic, we-d make traveling 3 miles and exorbitant affair.
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Bridge

"Why not put a ten dollar toll on the bridge for non residents of Miami Springs? We could use the toll by plate system. This would cut down on the drive through Traffic, generate revenue for the city and not cutoff access for residents."       Now this is exactly what they were talking about when they said that "You can-t fix STUPID"
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Tolls

And then Coral Gables puts a $100 toll to keep the riff raff out. Do you see how insane that would be?
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Bridge

Why not put a ten dollar toll on the bridge for non residents of Miami Springs? We could use the toll by plate system. This would cut down on the drive through Traffic, generate revenue for the city and not cutoff access for residents.
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Ordinance

Que comemierda. Really. Most Cubans in Miami Springs donít live in Hialeah because we donít like it there. We like the rules in Miami Springs. The nice homes. You are racist to think that just because someone doesnít like the concrete jungle of Hialeah means they are KKK. Fuera de aqui con la comemierderia. If you like it so much move to Hialeah. You will pay far less in taxes.
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Ordinance

The person making the grand wizard comment is either trying to be funny or an idiot. Anybody with half a brain knows that the standards and codes in Hialeah are much lower than MS. That-s a fact. If you want to attribute it to Cubans go ahead. Your too dumb to know that you just insulted Cubans.
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Ordinance

Don-t come on here now trying to be all holly you hypocrite, you are the one that mentioned Hialeah as if is where the children of a lesser God are forced to live. Face it, you are the wort kind of racist.     As far as you and yours are concerned everything that is wrong with Miami Springs now is because of the "Cuban migration" I see you Grand Wizard
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Credit

Pre-hurricane there was a guy who put up one of the car tents in his front yard. People commented back and forth and then before you know it was gone. Let-s have faith in the city and let-s see how long that boat lasts in the front yard. My guess, it-ll be gone before Halloween.
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What Law

Just look at the front hedges and fences, some are eight feet tall. If you are fingered by the city you have to cut it down to code. if they like you the sky is the limit.
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Following the law

Since when does follow the law equate with being a racist? Are you suggesting we need to break the laws and ordinances in order to show we are not racist? That-s a ridiculously asinine comment.
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Ordinance

Well, when you have city officials (the city clerk) that doesn-t follow election laws and you have a former mayor who doesn-t pay his taxes, the law becomes a murky thing of who I like and who do I not like. And I-m sorry, but this country is a nation of laws. You can-t pick and choose which laws to follow. You can fight to fix or repeal laws we don-t like, but so long as they-re in the books we need to follow them.
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Boat

I see boat owners pull their boats out on weekends to work on them, clean them, use them, etc. But once they are done, they put them back. Is the boat just parked in the front during weekdays or is it attached to a vehicle (like a truck) and they-re using it daily while on vacation maybe?
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Ordinance

So because someone rightly points out that people are violating ordinances designed to keep MS from becoming a less attractive place like Hialeah they should seek out the KKK? Wow, that is a sign that you can-t argue the issue on merit so you jump straight to the race, discrimination card. Pretty weak.
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Ordinance?

OMG, you are absolutely right! ! ! !      I guess that you will just have to move now.    Perhaps to Tallah ee where they still have an active Klan chapter.
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Ordinance?

Boats parked in front of the house, cars parked on front lawns on the gr  instead of driveway or swale area. Pools without any security fence or enclosures. What the hell? My fear isn-t that Miami Springs will become Hialeah South. My fear is that we already are. One simple example that has all this, just drive down Albatross. All of this was from before Irma too.
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Halloween

Miami Springs Country Club is organizing a Halloween Party for Oct.28, cash prices for the best costume. Come with your family and have fun
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What

What kind of answer was that? We have tropical storm debris sitting for 38 days and if someone complains you want them to just shut up. Gosh, you-d make a great block chivato selling out any neighbor that complains. We cleaned up after Wilma a lot faster than this.
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debris

Please give us your address and we will pick up our area and place it in your alley right behind your house, we can clearly see it wont inconvenience you at all. It-s not a matter of not pulling our own, its the fact that we paid for services not bein rendered.
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Debris

Very Simple. If the debris bothers you so much. PICK UP YOURSELF. Im sure if the city charged you, you wouldnt hesitate.
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Public Works

So this person trying to get rid of all those "Old people with a voice" or any one else who sees things differently. Does he want firing squads or gas chambers? What a total IDIOT.
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Public works

Just parading the crane truck so our citizens can see that it still runs. In the face of all those that said it was broken. They just didn-t see the need to use it.
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Public Works

OMG, God forbid some people express what they feel inside. Whether valid or not, warranted or not, you should always welcome all points of views. Even those you may not agree with. But some people are so vulnerable, they can-t stand any criticism.
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debris

Today I saw the city-s truck go out for a drive, I guess they are exercising the poor thing after siting around for a month. It was casually being driven from the front around the circle I hope they stretch its ligaments really good before attempting to pick up anything, after all we wouldn-t want it to pull a hamstring and have to park it for another month.
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Public works

The Public Works Director is fine. What we need to get rid of is all of these old people without a life that are totally irrelevant and come on here in an attempt to retain some relevancy by complaining about everything.     Get out of the house, go volunteer somewhere and do something productive instead of sitting behind the keyboard all day.
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Public Works ?

It has now been over a month and we still have debris in the alleys and no regular trash pick up. FEMA contractors did a great job when you consider all the debris on the swell areas. It seems like Public works is waiting for FEMA to pick up everything. Maybe its time to consider a new public works director. Someone who can handle a situation like Hurricane Irma aftermath.
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Debris

So my garbage is getting picked up. And my recycling is getting picked up. Why not the trash? ARE ALL OF THE CITY TRASH TRUCKS BROKEN?
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Public Works

My wife believes we should get a credit in our bill since they are not currently picking up trash. That-s fair, right?
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Ciscos

Is Ciscos making a comeback? Who owns the rights to the restaurant, Recipes etc?
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90k cubic yards

90k cubic yards was done by FEMA contractors not the City Public Works. The question is what has Public Works been doing for the last couple of weeks while the FEMA guys do all the swale pickup, which by the way is still not complete.
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debris

So I guess the 90,000 cubic yards of debris piocked up so far, the garbage cans picked up at homes on schedue now, the hanging limbs being cut down, and on and on, all that was done by ghosts??? You are a lying idiot!
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Debris

You-re not wrong, but supposedly the city started some limited alley service again.
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debris

So I take no one has seen our city trucks removing debris, I-m not the only one thinking they have them on vacation while our alleys are cluttered and the longer they are on hiatus the taller the piles get.
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Restaurants

Big chain restaurants definitely welcome, but I must say, the food situation in Miami Springs is the best it-s ever been. Back in the 90s the only place to take a date was to Cisco-s or Dennys...maybe Hollemans. Today you can go to Woodys, Sabores, Big Tomato, Burritoville, Ceviches, etc. You can get Starbucks, pastelitos, and much more. I can-t go to the Sushi places anymore, one for the roaches, and the other because they were caught buying food from trash. Both pretty gross. 36st can support good national chains based on the hotels and airport business.
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